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As a native Oregonian I had seen him win the state high school two-mile in a barn-burning race when I was just a kid and stayed interested through his dominance for the UO in track. Just a few years ago I had no idea who Steve Prefontaine was. Without Limits was showing on Cinemax the other day. Of course, both films end with Prefontaine’s death, driving a sports car, under the influence, in 1975. Personally, I liked your review, and agree. Lv 4. I had a chance to sit down and watch a couple of films this weekend. In Without Limits, you understand this happened after taking his friend Frank Shorter home. Later, I watched Without Limits as well and ran a bit faster. I can understand why both films decided to include serious girlfriends in major roles, but WL loses big time with me for having Mary in the film all the way to the end and especially such a focal point at the last party. I've been to his Rock twice and even in broad daylight it is a scary, twisty little road. Then, at the end, Bowerman says exactly what I was thinking. It’s awesome too. GO PRE! I love him. As far as film school assignments go, it would a really interesting challenge if somebody imported both films into their iMac and cut them together using Final Cut Pro. Own them both and watch them often. However, as Prefontaine marched through its story, I found myself more-and-more accepting of Leto’s performance and now, on balance, both Leto and Crudup seem to have nailed certain specific qualities. I gave it everything, and I could hear him behind me but he never passed. I'll be posting another comment again after I read it! Without Limits, one of the most underrated films of all time. During the time we were polishing up our screenplay’s last draft before production, we looked for a little inspiration and watched both Prefontaine and Without Limits within a couple of days of each other. What were they talking about when they kept referencing (and showing flashbacks) to something that happened to him in the woods and enduring the pain? And I like the way you put it — Without Limits is a “warmer” movie. i havent seen either movie but am interested in Without Limits.I am also looking for a movie to watch on Saturday that is inspirational! Pre rocks though. He was so cocky. I feel that he hits it based on a Lombardy-ish tact and fervor that feels lost in today’s world. Because the honest truth is that each version beats the other in a few things and loses in a few others. I hope you’ll come back and comment on more of our Smacks! I went to the local Blockbusters to get a movie and on my way to the checkout counter I spied the Prefontaine dvd box on the shelf and was immediately drawn to it. To be honest he is a big part of the reason I am a runner too. If I were casting a movie and both Billy Crudup & Jared Leto auditioned… I’d fall all over Mr. Crudup HANDS DOWN! Both movies are good, and it is a close race all the way to the finish line but, for me, I think the race, entertainment wise, is easily won by PREFONTAINE. GO PRE! Billy Crudup had me from “Go” because his Prefontaine seemed to have the masculinity and toughness that seemed right. Movie Comparison: Without Limits (1998) vs. Prefontaine (1997) Add a movie to the comparison: Similar movies to first movie (click to add): Mary Queen of Scots (2018) , Spotlight (2015) , Bombshell (2019) , Foxcatcher (2014) , Darkest Hour (2017) Your email address will not be published. In Prefontaine Jared Leto portrays Pre as very confident, but not as cocky. For my money, Without Limits is the better “movie”. But, when I step outside of my limited connection to the story of Steve’s life this inaccuracy becomes really not all that important. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.". But Steve not getting a medal certainly added to the narrative and the tragedy of his story. My only wish, not mentioned in the film would be to have some sort of OTHER male supporting role that Donald Sutherland could have lent his expertise to. In Prefontaine, you understand this happened at the celebration of the track meet he staged in Eugene between Finnish and American athletes to tweak the AAU. I however must profess that I am your exact opposite with respect to Steve Prefontaine! Don’t know if I talked to you or not. I also found Prefontaine on demand (thanks Directtv) and watched that the day before. I actually like both films and am hard pressed to choose one over the other. His car overturned and his chest was literally crushed, extinguishing his incredible lung-power forever. Read the back cover bit about Pre being the James Dean of track and thought, “Ok, I’ll get this and hope it will inspire me a bit in my efforts, but it will probably suck!” 0 0. I had the good fortune to run in some of the races he was in. One example: The main reason we located production in Washington was because Without Limits bought out Hayward Field for that entire summer to keep us away, even though they only shot there for a couple of weeks. Oh, btw: the real Mary wrote a book, or is writing one, so she must’ve been somewhat important to him. But watching both the Ironman in Kona and the Chicago Marathon this past weekend, I have to agree with Kovas, it came down to less than a mile for the winner to push himself pass his limit to win the race, when talents are matched there is no runnaway front leader. I cried like a baby. Report Thread Report Thread. Bryce Zabel Sutherland’s character clearly was more dominant in the 2nd film, but that is certainly due to his status as a marquee actor, especially in the late 90’s. Both movies are great. Given that these films were late 90’s, I’m glad that both steered clear of the DUI issue. All I can tell you is that he’s got both mom and dad in Prefontaine which is the way it was. Joined:3 years ago. great review. Your Name Optional. It's available to watch on TV, online, tablets, phone. Just to touch them. haha. And the movies show he never did. Because I love film-making and I love truth… and I absolutely WORSHIP story… I had to also watch Without Limits. This started out as a win for Crudup, but settles finally into a tie. Yet, somehow, it manages to feel more incomplete — from the small details like never showing Pre’s dad ever — to the larger issue of turning Bowerman into the Zen Master he never totally was — to the less-than-comprehensible stakes in the 1972 Olympics race. Neither one is fully accurate. October 2010..AND YET HE LIVES ON………I am a 59 year old grandmother, who at the time of these events was a very young wife and mother, and I did not have the interest in sports, and the olympics that I acquired later in life. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.”. So given that this was based on a true story, Without Limits loses points for going in that direction. 1 decade ago. Perhaps some lawyers told them this would be safer. This is the movie that wants to get in the head of Pre, analyze what made him a brilliant runner, and it wants to elevate Bowerman to a Zen-leader in the Phil Jackson mode, and focus on the sometimes rocky relationship between the two. Politics Shopping Links My Blog . thanks for the review! Answer Save. Steve Prefontaine’s eulogy in “Without Limits” Although this isn’t a Steve Prefontaine quote, it’s hard to find anything that more closely represents what Pre was all about. Without Limits vs Prefontaine (Pre Movies) College Running. THE AVENGERS. Not quite as ‘featured’ as you I guess, I was one of the newspaper photographers on the side of the track when we filmed at UPS. I was just reading comparisons about both of these the other day. Thanks Andrew! I've yet to watch either one. People in Eugene, Oregon, where Pre ran, probably favor Without Limits which came out in 1998, mostly because the film was shot on location there. I watched Without Limits (1998: Billy Crudup, Donald Sutherland, Monica Potter) and Prefontaine (1997: Jared Leto, R. Lee Ermey, Ed O'Neill). One of the best analyses of what’s true and what’s not (girlfriends and other issues) is in the Sports Hollywood web-site. Pre ran with stitches. Drawing inspiration from career experiences as a CNN correspondent, TV Academy chairman, creator of five produced primetime network TV series, and fast-food frycook, Bryce is the Editor-in-Chief of "Movie Smackdown." I like it more for several other reasons, some of them subjective, some of them personal, all of them maybe sort of vague, but I think Leto’s character of Pre was more likable, real, and believable. Sadly, after nearly 40 years, his last standing trial record was beaten in 2012 by Galen Rupp. When I rented Prefontaine in 1998 I did not know it was a true story or rather “Based on Actual Events” as they like to say. Most I love both of them......I must agree w/you though. In one race at Hayward, I was in the humiliating position of possibly being lapped by Pre. I though Lee Ermey did a great job, and the Al Bundy character also did a fine job as Bill Dillinger. This is because I am biased. I know that I will love these! Awesome. The girls of the dualing Prefontaine films are so incredibly different that you have to wonder how that happened. Trailer of the 1998 film Without Limits about Steve Prefontaine I guess I’m going to bail out on picking one or the other. It was there in Hawaii that I began to look into the lives of Pre, Shorter, Rodgers, Doc Sheehan and my personal favorite author, Jeff Galloway. Frank Shorter: “Pre did everything on a track, just about, everything on a track, that a runner can do. Biopic, Book Adaptation, Bryce Zabel, Drama, Popular Smacks. Basically, in this film, he has no father, only a mother. My opinion may be a bit skewed because of that. Wow. And, I don’t say that because I went in agreeing with what you say (although I do;) but because it is so well written, logical and points justified. They have it where he’s right about to get back with her and all that, the whole star-crossed lovers thing. Which prefontaine movie was better?? anyway. Something that is inexplicable in Without Limits is the way it treats Pre’s parents. Also, it's early so pretend I also commented something funny. And Crudup vs Leto ? Really?…that is your complaint…you are probably devastated that the music for the movie Patton was written 40 years after WWII…..I feel for you. Getting a bit burned out I turned to triathlon and a move to Hawaii two years later. haha. He's also a member of the Directors Guild, Screen Actors Guild, and a past enthusiast of the Merry Marvel Marching Society. Without Limits, on the other hand, used as its consultants Oregon’s other track coach, Bill Bowerman (who went on to create Nike shoes), and second-to-last girlfriend Mary Marckx.”. However, if you want to understand his strategy, or lack thereof, ponder the following quote: "A lot of people run a race to see who is fastest. Without Limits Mary Pauley Northern Arizona University Based on a true story, Without Limits, recaps the story of the 1972 front running hero, Steve Prefontaine. I was never competitive with him but I remember that he was always encouraging, and in fact, merciful. That the kids will allow me to watch them will be another thing...but to touch them... Great reviews. Cool Don, I was also a featured extra on Prefontaine! And I just voted for PREFONTAINE. 0 0. sirtitan45. So either way both movies are inspirational. What a lot of this comparison comes down to, though, is tone. Watching Crudup compared to Leto in the movies was like watching paint dry. Have you seen "Running Brave" about Billy Mills and the 1964 Olympics? As far as the requisite love-life sub-plots go, this film goes for seeing Pre ditch his high school girlfriend who came to college with him in favor of a woman who also ran track. Some people run from them and others towards them. I just watched Without Limits today and am still confused about something. 6 months ago 04/10/2020 6:02pm … Monica Potter, Pre’s gal-pal in Without Limits, looks like a movie star playing a role, and together with Crudup’s Pre they don’t really seem to generate any real connection at all to each other. I own and watch both movies often. I liked both portrayals of Bowerman. Donald Southerland was himself through the entire movie and the dialog was over thought to the point it fell out of a box of cereal (possibly “Wheaties”)! Directed by Robert Towne. I'm pretty much stalking him as much as you can stalk a non-living legend (which, of course, is made easier by living pretty much between the 2 towns he lived in). CJ… I’ve just re-read your thoughtful comment. We would be particularly interested in something that involves teaching spelling, grammar or logic, which, judging from your letter, there’s a big need for in your neck of the woods. I mean, Jack’s always Jack, right? Weird, since the love story in Limits was such a MAJOR part of the story. Small point, but if we are splitting hairs, I have to dock them for this choice. I mean, yeah, W/out Limits is probably a better movie, but doesn’t Prefontaine get points for being TRUE. If Prefontaine had been made with Billy Crudup, it would have been closer to the right movie. Of course, both films end with Prefontaine’s death, driving a sports car, under the influence, in 1975. To this day when the major track running events are held, plenty of people remember the gutsy runner who owned distance running back in the day, Steve Prefontaine. His is a wonderful performance but throughout he is always movie star Donald Sutherland in the role. I'll try again later. This is somebody who really lived…” and immediately watched it again… Steve Prefontaine became part of what fascinates me about life from that day forward. Using my own interpretation, another underlying message could be to challenge runners to use themselves as a tool for success: not a GPS, hundred of dollars invested in gear, etc. Guess Who’s Coming to Dinner (1967), La La Land (2016) vs. New York, New York (1977), MARVEL v DC: The Ultimate Movie Smackdown, SMASHUP: GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VS. Prefontaine is a 1997 American biographical film chronicling the life of the American long-distance runner Steve Prefontaine and his death at age 24. But Prefontaine manages to feel a lot less choppy and when it goes to the 1972 Olympics (where the Israeli athletes were murdered by Palestinian terrorists), it feels like a completely told story, as does its attempt to explain the battle with the AAU. G’day Bryce Zabel, Absolutely brilliant article. Anyways a few weeks ago I starting buying every DVD I always wanted but didn’t own….so I bought Prefontaine on ebay last week, thinking I was buying Without Limits. @Matty O: "Pre" and "Prefontaine" are two different movies from the same year about the same thing - so there's 3 movies, with "Without Limits" about Steve........I recently saw "Without Limits" again and was struck at the attempts to get the look right. Who came in 8th when Usain Bolt got the gold medal in the sprint? In a nutshell, Prefontaine builds to a political crusade about the rights of athletes while Without Limits builds to a grudging understanding between coach and star athlete. Relevance. This film came from a team that included Tom Cruise as an executive producer and writer-director Robert Towne (Chinatown), plus a great performance as Pre by Billy Crudup and a nuanced one from Donald Sutherland playing Bill Bowerman, Pre’s college track coach. I will need to rent Without Limits. Ermey all the way. CJ Smith Coming from this Oregon background I have a natural bias in wanting to see Steve’s life and his story portrayed accurately. Today my husband, who incidently was a track and field runner in high school, watched Without Limits, and was captivated by the story, however, I did not know Mr Steve, nor was I aware of his death as I watched the story, hoping after he had turned down the pros, he would go on to the olympics, and then when I saw that car he was driving and that road, I knew what was coming up, and I hated that!!!! (The words set before you now would have otherwise been lost, Mr. Zabel. Favorite Answer. I've got a lot of respect for Pre....although, I can't help but wonder how much of that respect was because he was almost made a mayter the running community.I honestly had never heard of either of these two movies, but now I want to get both of them!! Bryce. That, plus the fact that he has a new StudioCanal produced feature film, “The Last Battle,” shooting this summer in Europe about the end of World War II. COMICAL CLOSING NOTE: Although it would have been interesting to see what sideline spectacle Woody Hayes could have done with the roll of Bowerman. One (of many) of my shortcomings is not to see the effort of all the people in a race. Basically, they are unaware of prefontaines background and why he got so obsessed with the compulsion of front running, that those flash backs resemble him running away from bullies, and when you’re running away from bullies you will eventually experience pain in your legs, your lungs, because you’re burning out, and hence, “little secret I learned in coosbay, in the woods” Where the bullies chase him, he learned to withdrawl more pain then anyone, and when bowerman states, “He always hated a crowed, tried to get away, like he was trying to get away from something, That line connects to flashbacks and to the scene where he says that line “I can withdrawl more pain then anyone you’ve ever met”. It’s a true story but, in the end, like La Bamba or The Buddy Holly Story, you know it’s not going to end well. I still get annoyed watching those films knowing that the results were probably tainted because of the lack of clear rules and testing protocols. I worked on Prefontaine. Was I ever wrong! The staged race bits do look like the spliced-in archival footage. (wrap your brain around THAT level of honor for Steve!) I agree that it's better than Prefontaine. About a decade after this doppleganger box-office match-up, my wife and I had a Hallmark Channel film shooting out here in Los Angeles, Chasing a Dream, about a high-school athlete who decides to go for a sub-four minute mile. You are reporting this thread to the moderators for review and possible removal from the forum. I've been meaning to watch Prefontaine, must add it to my Netflix! Without Limits feels a little more important than Prefontaine despite the earlier film’s pseudo-documentary look because, I assume, Robert Towne has a slightly steadier hand than Steve James when it comes to helming a production. I think Coach Bowerman was just trying to put him in his place (because he thought he knew better than the coach) and was trying too establish the hierarchy of the relationship. 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